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Shotgun Blast From the Past: Cleaning an Ithaca Model 37 with 725 cleaner
The Ithaca Model 37 was one of the most popular pump action shotguns in the United States for a long time. And as a result the gun has a lot of history behind it. The longest production run of any pump action shotgun is just the start. It has served in many wars, and was popular with the police too. So it’s no coincidence that many of these guns have a good story that goes along with them. This Ithaca Model 37 in particular, belonged to my grandpa.
My grandfather bought this shotgun to help at work 70 years ago. He worked on a rice farm, and ducks would eat the newly planted rice. Because of this, it was common practice to fire a gun over the water to scare them away. My grandpa Carl got his hands on this gun for just that purpose. Only, there is a strange part to this story that you may not expect. When he bought this gun, he was only twelve years old. That’s right twelve. This doesn’t sound like all that big of a deal, plenty of parents have gotten their kids guns, but the details are what make this… interesting. He not only bought it when he was twelve, but he did this alone, with no ID. Wow, times have really changed haven’t they? Just wait it gets better. He actually walked across the street after school to pick the gun up, then walked back to the school with the gun and ammo. Then he proceeded to ride the school bus back home with the gun… Nobody batted an eye. Today they would call the cops! Getting a new gun sure isn’t that easy anymore.
So, the gun has been in my family ever since, and it has certainly served us well. To be honest, I have no earthly idea how many shells this gun has seen, but it still keeps firing true. That’s the thing about pump action shotguns, they just keep working, and this one is no exception. Taking that in mind, this gun gets passed between quite a few people on a regular basis, and that means it’s cleaning schedule isn’t exactly normal. Actually, I don’t even know how many rounds it had through it before this, other than it was over a thousand. Needless to say it was past due.
When I first took the adjustable choke off I could see just how bad it was. Caked on carbon had filled the gaps in the choke to the point where there weren’t any gaps to speak of.
And that was just the beginning, after taking off the stock, I could see the carbon on the back of the trigger group and bolt making a fine black coating. Which meant there was even more inside.
The trigger was stubborn to remove which was not surprising considering how it looked when it came out.The bolt was a mess other than the face, which I am sure was sprayed down at some point because the gun was having trouble extracting. The entire receiver was a filthy mess. Everything was covered in black sludge.
So I got to work, using nothing more than Slip 2000 725 degreaser. It was simple enough, spray the parts down, give them a light rub with some cotton swabs (a little scrubbing where it was really on there) and then rinse with warm water. I was amazed at just how effective it was. It ripped off everything. Bare steel was all that was left after I was done.
It got the trigger group cleaner than I thought was possible at this point. The bolt was easier to clean than I would have believed.
Seriously they should call this stuff elbow grease, because it does all the work for you. I even saved the choke for last thinking “There’s no way it can get all that out of there easy, but boy was I wrong. A light spray and sawing a cloth patch through it made it look brand new again. I’ve never been more impressed with a cleaner.
The only thing left to do was wipe everything down with Slip 2000’s Gun Lube and put it back together. Everything went back together easier than it came apart, every piece was smooth. And when it was all back in place, I was amazed.
Not only did the gun look 30 years younger, but it was the smoothest action I had ever felt on any shotgun. I know it’s almost pointless to say it now, but I’m hooked. This stuff really works, and it doesn’t have any harsh fumes or toxic chemicals in it. What more could you ask for?
In hindsight, I wish I had done this sooner. Not just because this gun really needed to be cleaned, but because if I had known how well 725 worked, I wouldn’t have been putting it off in the first place. But the most rewarding part about this whole thing for me, is knowing that this gun is going to keep on working for a long time. And with Slip 2000’s products, I know it will still be around for my grandchildren.
Best regards,
Robert Sullivan
National Champion Competition Shooter Anthony Spinelli’s Loves Slip 2000
National champion competition shooter Anthony Spinelli loves Slip 2000!
As a competitive shooter, my guns see some pretty high round counts, and take a lot of abuse. It’s not uncommon for my guns to reach 5,000 rounds between cleanings on a regular basis. When looking for a gun oil, I need a lubricant that isn’t going to burn off and dry up after a few hundred rounds.
I Use Slip 2000’s EWL on all of my guns to keep them slick and protected, and to make cleaning easier on the rare occasion that I actually clean my guns… When cleaned and lubed with EWL, future cleanings are a breeze. Most parts will wipe clean with a paper towel!
The temperature range on EWL is incredible, -110F to 1250F! Living in the northeast, practicing in the winter can mean shooting in the single digits. In temperatures where a number of popular lubricants would gel up or even freeze, EWL maintains the same consistency as it would on a warm summer day.
On the upper end of the spectrum, high round count practices can heat my gun up so much so that other lubricants will smoke and burn off. This leaves your gun hot, dry, and unprotected. This is a recipe for malfunctions and increased wear on your gun. Even after multiple range sessions totaling over a few thousand rounds, EWL continues to keep my guns lubed and protected.
I’ve tried and tested dozens of lubricants over the years, and I have not found any that come close to the Slip 2000 line.
Thanks,
Anthony Spinelli
G&G Guns tested Slip 2000 products, here’s what they thought.
Slip 2000 Cleaning Products
We were sent a collection of Slip 2000 cleaning products about a month or so ago, including; EWL (Extreme weapons lubricant) and the Extreme Weapons Degreaser. Over the course of the next few weeks, we tested the product on a multitude of different firearms. As a gun store, we provide cleaning services to our customers and have certainly seen our fair share of “Lost causes” come through the door.
The first thing I did when receiving the samples package, was clean my own gun with EWL!
It is a Springfield 1911. I chose this platform to clean first, as every single component bar the grips were steel. I shot around 200 rounds through it, clean it up and left it for a solid month. Upon taking it apart, there was little/no dust in many of the nooks of the 1911 platform; it had also held its lubrication the entire time.
Usually the viscosity of oils means that it gets everywhere and pools, attracting dust. The Slip 2000 EWL (Extreme weapons lubricant) spread incredible thinly, which meant I could use less, saving money in the long run. It also gripped the steel a little better when applied with a soft cloth, meaning the thin film kept exactly where I had put it, instead of vanishing between the cracks. Springfield 1911 custom
The next gun I cleaned was the bosses Glock, daily carry pistol. On a polymer frame, oils can become slippery. Glock pistols have always required less oil, but the dryer finish at high heat meant that carbon was often accumulated on the upper portion inside the slide. The EWL was applied to a cloth and it just wiped off with little effort. As a “Do-all” EWL is one of the best products I have used thus far on the market. Being non-toxic it did not corrode my fingers and was easy to clean up after a spill. I wouldn’t eat it, but it is nice to know it isn’t going to rot my hands!
Then we tested the CARBON KILLER.
An AR15 can be a nightmare to clean after a tactical class. I brought it to one of our carbine classes and told everyone to go nuts. Then we left the Bolt Carrier Groups in solution overnight and it literally wiped clean with no scrubbing. When time is a factor, Carbon Killer is a life saver on the range. It also smells like Chocolate Orange!
Effective, especially after several hundred rounds, I was impressed with how non-invasive it was on the Magnesium Phosphate Bolt Carrier Groups. I took off my flash hider and gave it the same treatment. If you own an AR15, the Carbon Killer is now (As far as I am concerned) essential equipment.
So now we have talked a little about the usual day-to-day maintenance and cleaning, let’s have a good look at one of those “Lost causes” we talked about.
We were shown a 1915 Mauser rifle that had been passed down to one of our customers from their Grandfather. It is a commercial model, brought back from Germany after WWII. It had not only, the LARGEST amount of rust I had ever seen on a gun, but it had been in a house fire that had burst a water pipe. So not only had it been burnt, but the water had then fused onto the steel as it cooled rapidly, creating the perfect environment for deep rust.
I could tell you how the cleaning turned out, but I thought it better to just include a few pictures below. First of all, let me tell you how long this took from start to finish.
I did a pre-soak for around 20 minutes with the degreaser and then went to town on it with a brass brush and a cloth. That was all I used. I am quite pleased (As was the owner) of how it turned out.
Pictures of the Mauser 1915 can be found on the next page. BEFORE
AFTER
SUMMARY
I get sent sample packages all the time, but rarely have I seen something that does EXACTLY what is advertised. I have been thoroughly impressed with the capabilities of this lubricant. After being in Afghanistan, working the front-line and seeing firearms get in all manner of dire straits, I kind of wish I’d had Slip 2000 to hand. Slip 2000 would certainly have made my life a whole lot easier after fourteen hours in a firefight and only six hours before my next patrol.
G&G Guns will be purchasing Slip 2000 products as soon as our present stock of a rival brand is empty. We have been sold on the effectiveness and affordability of Slip 2000 products.
I would like to personally thank Shannon Scheuer for sending us the sample pack of Slip 2000 items. She has been consistently helpful and communicative with any queries and questions we have had. It is most certainly a company we would like to help promote and sell in-store.
We are relatively small! But our reputation locally is flawless. We are looking forward to making that order for your products very soon.
Regards, Aaron “KB” Kilbon General Manager G&G Guns 8465 W Colfax Ave Lakewood, CO 80215
Our 725 cleaner is used in a foamer to great effect!
We got an email the other day where a customer of ours was telling us about the effectiveness of our 725 cleaner. But there was something a little different about this case as you can see in the photo above.
Here’s what he shared with us:
Greg,
We used your 725 to foam our old 1100 Remmington that was jamming. The foam forced into the cavity, it would pick up the carbon and force it out. We did this 3-4 times, waiting 2-4 minutes in between, and the foam came out pure black every time until it was clean. After that we lubed it and she seems to be much happier. Thought this might be interesting for a time saver instead of stripping it all apart.
Dan
This isn’t the first time that we have seen our product used as a foam, but we figured it would be good to share the results of someone using it as such with you, because this is great way to use our 725 cleaner! Take a look at the rest of the pictures Dan sent us.
Just remember to re-lubricate your firearm after using this product to prevent rusting.
M240B gets put through its paces!
A M.Sgt shared this story with us, and we are glad to share it with you.
Sirs,
Recently, while conducting an M240B class and course of fire, I had a chance to give SLIP EWL a good workout.
It is the only lube I use on my duty handguns, shotguns and carbines so I only thought it appropriate to run it on the MG’s. Normally, with the “legacy” issue lubricant, we re-lube the gun multiple times throughout the day out of necessity. As I expected, this was not the case with SLIP EWL.
At the beginning of the day, I put a moderate amount of SLIP on all the lube points, halfway through the day, a few drops were placed on the front of the bolt. The important point here, is that halfway through the day was approximately 8-9 thousand rounds! Total round count exceeded 17 thousand rounds on this one gun, albeit with countless barrel changes. We had NO failures of any kind that were not caused by ammunition.
After those 17 thousand plus rounds we stripped the weapon and found all the major assemblies filthy, but still wet with SLIP. Even inside the feed tray cover, the pawls and feed lever, encased in crud, still worked freely because under the crud it was still moist. Cleaning time was reduced roughly by a third as the carbon, brass shavings, etc. could largely be wiped clean with a cloth.
SLIP stayed on the gun through the heat and friction of thousands and thousands of rounds and as a bonus made the weapon easier to clean.
If you are an armed professional of any type, this IS your lube.
Sincerely,
MSgt “M”
M16A1 Slip 2000 Lube Comparison
I finished running a rifle school last week using Slip 2000 EWL in half of the students weapons and Militec in the other half. I had two students not clean or lube the weapons for 1,000 rounds to compare the results. Weapons used for the test were 2 M16A1’s (1,000 round no cleaning, no extra lube) Neither weapon had any malfunctions do to lubrication
Function test:
Militec, felt gritty, sluggish and slow when cycling by hand.
Slip 2000- felt smooth as though it had not been shot.
Field strip:
Militec- Bolt and Bolt carrier group were dry and covered with carbon. No lube could be seen any where on these items.
Slip 2000- Bolt and Bolt carrier group was covered in carbon and felt damp to the touch. The rear half of the BCG was still wet.
Cleaning:
Militec- Need some soaking and scrubbing on both the BCG and the upper receiver
Slip 725 Degreaser was needed to help break up the carbon on the BCG and worked well.
I noticed that the Slip 725 dried fairly quick while soaking, so I had the student re-apply to make it wet before brushing.
Slip 2000- Cleaned easier. Carbon wiped off with Shooters Choice solvent and light brushing. Upper receiver wiped clean with solvent.
Militec- The students that were cleaning on a daily bases used some light brushing on the BCG and relubing.
Slip 2000- The students that were cleaning on a daily bases where wiping down the BCG and relubing.
During the rest of the week, the students of the class started transitioning to Slip 2000 on their own. At the end of the week I asked what their thoughts were with Slip 2000 even the one who had switch from Militec to Slip 2000. Everyone said that it cleaned up better after shooting and wanted some to take with them.
Patrol Tactical show us how to properly lube a Glock Gen 4 pistol
Our friends over at Patrol Tactical have put together a very thorough video on how to lubricate a Glock Gen 4 pistol. And while they have said that they intend to make a video pertaining to the cleaning of the Glock as well, we know that there is an extremely pressing issue in regard to cleaning this type of weapon. “Are your products safe to use on polymer frames?”
The answer is dependent on the product. Our Gun lube and EWL were primarily designed as lubricants, although due to the nature of these products they clean, and they clean well! In fact the U.S. Army technically classifies them as a CLP(Cleaner, Lubricant & Protectant). However as we developed these as fully synthetic lubricants, rather than deriving them from a petroleum distillate, they do not have an adverse effect on polymers, meaning they are safe to use on every part of the gun.
As for our clean-only products, you need to be a little more careful. The 725 cleaner is safe to use on all surfaces of this gun, and is a great way to cut through grease quickly and thoroughly. That being said though, our Carbon Killer is not safe for all surfaces.
Carbon Killer is exclusively designed to work on metal components only, and while it wont dissolve the frame, it could possibly warp it if left soaking in Carbon Killer. Furthermore it can damage many finishes, which is why it’s best to only use on internal/metal components with baked on carbon. (After using our cleaning products make sure to re-lubricate the metal surfaces immediately to prevent rusting.
We want to say thanks again to Patrol Tactical for sharing their video with us, and we hope that it answered any questions you may have had about lubricating the fine weapon that Glock produces.
Folsom Prison Gas Gun Cleaning Demo
This Gas Gun had not been cleaned for over 50 rounds. You can see the carbon and plastic buildup in the barrel. Slip 2000 Carbon Killer has now made cleaning your 37mm and 40mm Gas Guns simple, easy and safe. Our cleaning system is designed to remove the worst carbon and plastic buildups and reduce the time you spend cleaning and maintaining your weapons.
We took our cleaning system to Folsom State Prison training range and put on a cleaning demo. Here are the results:
The barrel was soaked in Slip 2000 Carbon Killer for 15 – 30 minutes. Soaking times may vary depending on prior usage of the weapon. Allow a few additional minutes, as we did here, when using our cleaning system on a weapon for the first time.
After soaking, a cleaning brush was run through the barrel.
With every pass of the brush, carbon and plastic wad fouling was literally removed in pieces and chunks. For extremely neglected or well used weapons an additional soaking may be required.
After brushing, the barrel was rinsed to remove any Carbon Killer residue and lingering carbon and plastic.
The clean barrel looks as good as new. Only drops of water from rinsing can be seen. For the best results use Slip 2000 Carbon Killer and Slip 2000 Gun Lube as a system.
Once clean, Slip 2000 Gun Lube was applied to the barrel. It will displace any moisture and help protect against rusting. Slip 2000 Gun Lube bonds with the metal, protecting it against black powder corrosion as well as preventing carbon and plastic from building up in the barrel. This will prevent jamming issues and reducing your next clean up time.
With repeated use of our products, most dirty weapons can be back in service within 15 minutes or less.
Suppressors WERE hard to clean.
Here is a prime example of why I love the slip 2000 and proof it works. This picture is a before and after cleaning on a silencer baffle. I have over 500 rounds of 22lr fired thru this suppressor and last night I had to pound the baffles out with a hammer and I couldn’t scrape the carbon off with a knife, so I soaked it over night in the carbon killer, and the carbon build up pretty much wipes off making the baffle look brand new again. The picture doesn’t even do any justice, but it made the baffle a shinny stainless again. Never thought it was possible.
Thanks
Ethan Fonder Double Drop Gun Shop Badger SD
David B. Smith from Precision-Engineered Performance
Greg,
I just wanted to take a moment to relate my absolute satisfaction with all of the Slip2000 products I have had the pleasure of trying to date.
Your Carbon Killer has taken the drudgery out of cleaning all of my development guns, especially the .338 Lapua extra long range rifle. Carbon Killer is an amazing muzzle brake cleaner, which in the past was a job I did not look forward to.
I am now using your Slip2000 lubricants as a barrel treatment in all of my personal and development guns.
As the inventor of the Magnumlite carbon fiber barrel system as marketed by Magnum Research and the holder of the 3 patents relative to this barrel system, I am amazed at the performance of your lubes as barrel conditioners. As a barrel developer, I break in many barrels and have been more than elated at the shortening of this procedure and the resultant ease of cleaning your lubes provide.
I have found that the “clean cold bore” shot is always in the group when your lubricants are used in the bore. I have also found your lubes to be the most stable in the bore for long term storage as well. In the past, lubes have broken down and failed to perform as desired when rifles were stored for any lengthy period. I now do not have to worry about this issue.
I will continue to recommend your entire line of products to all of my clients, shooting associates and customers.
It is indeed a pleasure to find products that exceed the need.
Thanks again for all of your products and wonderful customer service.
I wish you and Slip2000 nothing but continued success.
Regards,
David B. Smith
Independence Training Uses Slip 2000
We train no matter what the weather conditions are, and at one particularly snowy handgun course the hazards of poor maintenance became apparent to some of our students. The temps had dropped below freezing and some of the liquid lubes and grease lubes began to stop up the guns.
We took a break, field stripped all guns, cleaned off the old lube with Slip 2000 725 cleaner, and then re-lubed all guns with Slip2000 EWL. It didn’t stop snowing, but the guns didn’t stop up again thanks to Slip 2000.
Glen Stilson Head Instructor Independence Training
MARINE CORPS CONTRACT EXPANDED
After a successful year of testing, evaluations, and usage, the US Marine Corps has expanded their contract with Slip 2000. They have recently installed 6 additional Slip 2000 Ultrasonic Cleaning Systems and will be adding 6 more in the next 30 days, with more to come. The sole source contract specifies that only Slip 2000 Equipment, Slip 2000 Lubricants and Slip 2000 Cleaners can be used.
The heated dual tank Ultrasonic Cleaning System allows multiple guns to be cleaned and lubricated quickly. One tank uses ultrasonic technology to clean a group of guns while the other tank simultaneously provides a lubricant and corrosion treatment to another group.
Before using this Slip 2000 Cleaning System, the Marine Corps used a solvent tank process that required 30 minutes to clean 1 weapon. By using the Slip 2000 Ultrasonic Cleaning System and Slip 2000 Gun Lube the Marine Corps was able to reduced this cleaning time from 30 minutes a gun to 5 minutes. An armory location using this system is capable of cleaning 400-700 weapons an hour.
This cleaning system has also greatly reduced the hazardous emission control fines and penalties accrued by other cleaning systems in use.
The Slip 2000 Ultrasonic Cleaning System is designed to provide both a safe and fast way to clean a large quantity of guns while also providing an excellent lubrication and corrosion protection treatment. A huge advantage to the system is the use of Slip 2000 Gun Lube to treat the weapons after cleaning. The benefit of Slip 2000 Gun Lube providing superior lubrication for a high number of rounds is well known and documented. However, another huge benefit is that it keeps carbon, lead and copper from building up and ultimately makes the next cleanup time faster and easier.
The first time a gun went through this system it took a 15 minute ultrasonic cleaning cycle to fully clean it. Additional cleanings with this system on a gun after being treated with Slip 2000 Gun Lube (which meets MIL-PRF 63460E) resulted in a faster and easier cleaning. The ultrasonic cleaning cycle has been reduced to 5 minutes.
This expanded contract is testimony to the effectiveness of Slip 2000 products and the dedication of our US Military to be environmentally conscious by embracing and using GREEN products